Stretching didnt work

A lot of the time the conventional advice: stretching. phimocure rings etc doesnt work it seems.  And I have yet to really see a perfect case where it retracts easily.  Even on http://phimosisjourney.com/ he has made great progress but I wouldnt call it perfect as it seems the foreskin seems to be scarred and tight - maybe from the unnatural stretching. If the penis is damaged from masturbation the foreskin will always be tight as the shaft has been damaged so it is narrower than the head. 

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/k2lo9q/stretching_works_a_message_of_hope/

https://www.reddit.com/user/Vampireblader

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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/m2pvg8/just_curious_on_some_info/

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37yo stretching for 6 months

Source: https://www.reddit.com/user/AliBarberTheSecond

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"Stretching every day for 5 months and still in exact same spot" Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/t8armr/steroid_cream_isnt_working/

https://www.reddit.com/user/Far_Phase

Reddit, Mar 2022

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Guy so desperate after stretching for ages and it not working he thinks about cutting himself, he writes:

I have severe phimosis. The kind where I tried to fix it endless times only to grow scar tissue that doesn't stretch (not as easily as normal skin). I'm planning on getting a sterile surgical blade, alcohol, and just do a small cut over the very tip so I can stretch it better fuck it. One would think paying a doctor for this simple surgery wouldn't be expensive, but it kind of is. Should I just do it? I'm a grown ass man by now, and I did try to fix this when younger, but every time I skipped even a day of stretching there would be twice the scar tissue than the day before.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/tgsox4/just_fixing_it_myself/  Reddit, March 2022

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Guy stretching for 6 months with no progress - porn addict too

He writes: 

"Hey yall im back again after a year or so, last year i have been extremely depressed and started to neglect myself and that includes my phimosis. However, im tryna get back into the game now

Just wanna know if the two finger method is still effective (i did this for 6 months but not much results) and should i start using lube for masturbation."

Source: https://www.reddit.com/user/PubicHairAdvocate/submitted/ Reddit, April 2022

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10 years of stretching: I sent a message to my GP requesting treatment for Phimosis (I am in the UK). Has anybody else been through this? Not sure what to expect, but looking for advice. 10 years of stretching and topical creams have not worked.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/vtfhkp/i_sent_a_message/ 

https://www.reddit.com/user/JayIsntCross

Reddit July 2022

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He writes: 

"What happens if you stop stretching? Does your foreskin naturally get tighter again if you stop stretching it? Or will it just stay in the same state until you continue? i feel like ive hit a brickwall with it all, can retract when flaccid with ease and can retract with ease when erect i just cannot get it back over the head with ease it requires a lot more force and isn’t a natural glide

...been at this stage for a few months now bro, just seems like once I’ve stretched it it definitely looks like progress has been made but then 1/2hrs later it returns to normal and is very disheartening man"

Source: https://www.reddit.com/user/Professional-Guru22 Reddit, July 2022

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Stretching for a year:

I have been at stretching for the last year or so. I’m able to easily stretch while flaccid and clean daily. The sensitivity is also almost gone since I run shower water comfortably over it now. However, only recently I was able to retract beyond head WHEN ERECT (honestly it felt weird and had to put a little force). As soon as head was crossed, the foreskin just sticks beneath the glans tightly and I’m not able to pull further. It feels tight and as if
something’s fully stopping the movement. I was however able to get it back over glans easily (had lube on so guess it helped). Do I have frenulum breve or should I continue with phimosis stretching?? Also how many days more can I stretch to cure?? Please help!

As you can see heightwise and widthwise the shaft is narrower than the head.  this has been caused by damage to the penis shaft.  Which means it is getting stuck behind the head.

Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/xp88af/phimosis_help_needed_tight_foreskin_when_erect/  Business-Key3923 Reddit, Sep 2022

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Guy stretching for 2 years writes: I discovered my phimosis a couple of years ago and now I'm hell lot irritated with stretching and shit. The water is going over the head now. I am thinking of seeing a proper urologist and get the best treatment. Whatever they may suggest. I feel my penis is irritated and I can't think of any home remedy now. I've tried it all. Nothing worked. I have a tight frenulum which doesn't want to stretch. A little phimosis too. Anything I should keep in mind before proceeding furthur?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/xdh7nb/enough_with_stretching/ No_Figure1041 Reddit, Sep 2022

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Young guy with pinhole been stretching for 3 months without progress writes: Hey so basically I need help with 2 things. For some context I have pinhole phimosis 1. I’ve been stretching for maybe 3 months now and I haven’t seen any real progress so I’m not sure if i’m applying my phimocure ring right. Would attach a picture but I’m underage. Does anyone have a video of someone with pinhole applying a ring? I’m not sure if I’m wearing mine right because it’s not stretching 1. I have phimocure rings but I lost the 3rd smallest size, which I was using to stretch. Will I be able to sort of skip the 3rd and move on to the 4th or will it be too much?

Thank you for any help I’m deadass so lost with all of this lmfao

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/xh9yof/i_need_help_lol/ reddit, Sep 2022

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Guy stretching for 6 months without progress: 

I have frequently seen claims on this subreddit that imply that simple stretching is a viable solution for the vast majority of males suffering from phimosis. For example, the informational side-bar states, "conservative treatment methods are effective in more than 90% of cases for young men." I would like for this to be true, but I have not been able to find any actual scientific studies that show this. All I could find was this study which was conducted in boys aged 4-14, not adult men.

Is anyone aware of any medical studies conducted in males >16/18 y/o males that show the efficacy of stretching methods for phimosis?

For the past six months, I've been doing the stretching methods outlined on "phimosisjourney.com" for about 30-60 minutes per day, as well as using steroid creams for 3-4 weeks, and I've made very little progress, unfortunately. That's why I'm asking if there is any medical literature that shows that stretching consistently works in adults.

I haven't been doing it for 3-4 weeks, I've been doing it for 6 months. I used the steroid cream for 3-4 weeks, as that's how long the doctor said it's safe to use it. I usually do 15 minutes in the morning when I wake up and 15 minutes before bed, with the occasional 15 minutes during the day. The only period I made any progress was the first 3-4 weeks when I was using steroid cream, but it was minor and when I discontinued it, my foreskin returned to how it was before. I tried doing a month where I was only doing it every 48 hours (that's what he advises on phimosisjourney.com), but that didn't seem to make a difference. I'm starting to wonder whether for some forms of phimosis stretching just won't work.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/xii6ni/are_there_any_medical_studies_showing_that/ Reddit, Sep 2022

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Guy tried stretching but got a circumcision (looks to have had lichen sclerosus):

I did try stretching with creams but no rings, didn't make much of a difference, doc said there's less chance due to my age being 35 and also there was quite a bit of scar tissue due to previously tearing it a few times when attempting to have sex. This scar tissue is not stretchable.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/circumcision/comments/x2l1ze/day_19_no_more_phimosis/ Reddit, Sep 2022

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I’ve been using steroid cream, moisturiser and stretching for a few weeks with very little progress, and in the last few days my skin has completely dried up, become tighter and is now peeling and displaying a lot of redness.

Source: Stretching and Steroid Cream has worsened by condition User: RodimusBeezer, Reddit, Nov 2022

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Evidence for bigger penis

 23 yo old guy never masturbated, is skinny,  and has huge cock:

I'm 23 years old, kissless virgin, never been close to a relationship, etc. But unlike the rest of the male population on Earth, I have never masturbated in my entire life.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm asexual, I'm actually the opposite. I basically think almost every girl near my age is pretty and constantly look at them, constantly stare at their asses, pop random boners sometimes, all that shit like a teenage going through puberty.

It isn't like I don't ejaculate. I have wet dreams with varying frequency, like from once to a few times a week (just had a massive one a few nights ago) and I even notice myself dreaming about sex, putting my hands down my pants while I'm asleep, wake up with my heart racing and panting and cum everywhere, etc.

I just don't know why I've never masturbated before. I've just never really had the desire to. I've tried jerking off while hard and nothing happened so I just stopped. I never watch porn and even when I have, I just watch it, get hard, even form precum and just do nothing.

I know that this sub is based around this idea that if you don't masturbate, suddenly you'll become an alpha male stud, but it hasn't happened at all to me. I have postulated that I am Low-T (low testosterone) due to my extreme skinniness, lack of muscle and body hair, and horribly depressed and beta attitude, but I've never gotten it tested.

Does maybe someone here relate to this and can give me input to how this happened to them? And if you guys have questions you want to ask feel free to (and I know I don't have any way to prove this whole thing, you'll just have to believe me that someone wouldn't lie about this) Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/373zwq/i_am_a_23_year_old_guy_who_has_never_masturbated/

that feel when my cock is huge

that feel when a girl on tinder would never ask me this because I would never match in the first place because of how ugly I am

Feels bad man Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/50p5kc/when_you_try_to_be_a_nice_guy/

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Exercising resulted in bigger penis: https://www.reddit.com/r/bigdickproblems/comments/6tusg3/i_know_we_get_this_a_lot_but_i_thought_id_share/

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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AngionMethod/comments/rd3aul/none_of_this_matters_if_you_are/ Reddit Dec 2021

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From a guy with a massive penis:

Everlasting morning wood:Hey, so "morning wood" often throws my plans into ruin because I use public transport and the size of my penis and giant balls means it's pretty much impossible to hide, especially on a body like mine. I can try to rub one out but often I'm not even all that horny in the morning. Anyone else here struggle with this?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bigdickproblems/comments/6iz4lp/everlasting_morning_wood/

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Does prolonged semi-erection in prepubertal high flow priapism result in increased penile size?

https://smj.org.sa/content/26/3/481

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Abnormally Long Penis in Children with Vesical Calculus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3585538/#!po=59.0909

Reports on encounters with doctors

From reddit, July 2022: https://www.reddit.com/r/Phimosis/comments/tgmd2c/underwhelming_urologist_appointment/

He writes:

This is more a post to vent but it might be of use to someone or to share similar experiences.

I finally went to my urologist/andrologist appointment today. This is my first experience with a urologist as an adult. I got the appointment like two months ago back when I was just starting treating my phimosis with the silicone rings. Right now I'm using the final ring, my retraction is full when flaccid even if I still see some very small remnants of the hourglass shape when the flaccid penis is larger (as many of you have experienced the size of a single flaccid penis is not always the same as it tends to change depending on the temperature). During erections my foreskin only goes a bit more than halfway but it is much much better of how it used to be. (1/3 of the way retraction before I started).

So I went to my appointment already on the final stretch (no pun intended) of the treatment. He started by explaining all the things about phimosis that we already know and some treatment options but he was very doubtful about stretching as a "cure" for phimosis (he said "cure" with the quotation marks implied). Telling me some straight up lies like "skin doesn't stretch really" and then some legit precautions about how stretching might have some risks like tearing and such (which I already knew and I still think they're very minimal compared to the risks of a surgery). I did clarified that I had some really satisfactory results with the rings so he was kinda curious about the rings that I used so he looked them up on his computer. He was aware of Phimostop but not of Phimocure or the Phimocure knock-off I was using (Phimoring). At best he was reluctanctly accepting of the fact that I was having success with the rings (maybe he just straight up thought that it was all in my head and never really had phimosis, but I know I still have it when erect). And at worst he was dismissive of the treatment. He was even a little snarky about the price I paid for the rings, even though it was more likely cheaper than a surgery given that I don't have insurance.

He then proceeded to inspect me. So I took off my pants and underwear and laid on a chair. He put on some gloves and retracted my foreskin on my flaccid penis (it was kinda cold in the room as all doctor's offices, so my penis was at minimum size and there was 0 sign of hourlgass shape or shaft strangulation). He said everything was perfect and I technically didn't have phimosis, because they only diagnose phimosis on people who can't retract flaccid because of hygienic concerns, or people who retract flaccid but their shaft gets choked. So because of this he didn't even recommended circumcision (best thing about the whole visit to be honest). I did tell him that I had some problems during intercourse, especially during penetration and that I had reduced sensitivity and had some accidental retractions that kill my erections because of tightness but he was sort of dismissive and waved the concerns away. He said that he could perform the circumcision if that bothered me too much and he was only going to give me a "half-recommendation" for a surgery but that he thought it really wasn't necessary.

I asked him about bethametasone or some other steroid creams and said he was not aware of any of those creams and that it sounded impossible for a cream to stretch your skin (oh well at least he didn't gave it to me and told me to just apply it waiting for it to work without any stretching). It's a shame, because getting a steroid cream prescription was my main goal as I wanted it to help me that extra mile that I need to finish the treatment as I ran out of larger rings to wear. But I can live without it tbh.

At the end he was sort of aware enough that I was gonna keep stretching it with the rings because I really made it specific that the only reason I could retract so smoothly now was because of that. So he sort of acceptingly said "yeah, of course it's gonna be looser because you're putting a ring to stretch it" very much contradicting his first statement that "skin doesn't really stretch". So he just recommended me to be careful to not cut myself and not use them for too long and to put on some sort of moisturizing cream. I told him that I used virgin coconut oil because it's a moisturizer and antimicrobial and he said it was okay, but also recommended me some over the counter cream with vitamin E.

And that was pretty much it. I guess I'm happy I finally went and confirmed that I'm healthy besides the phimosis and that I don't have a very severe case. I'm glad that he didn't push the circumcision on me but really dissapointed on how shallow his vision was on the matter as I live in a country where circumcision is uncommon outside of some religious minorities so I was expecting more knowledge on the matter. He didn't even mentioned any other possible surgeries outside of circumicision that I know exist. But overall I think it was a waste of 27 dollars (it might not sound like a lot for some but it is a lot for a student living in an expensive city where 27 dollars would've been useful for other important things). I know I could get a second opinion, but I'm very advanced on my treatment and I feel like it would be a waste of money. I will consider it only if I hit a very hard plateau, but I doubt that will happen.

For some context: This is a fancy doctor practicing in a fancy private practice clinic in the downtown of a very metropolitan city and educated in a very good medical school. So I'm kinda shocked that he wasn't aware of steroid creams. Maybe they're not legal in the country or something, I should do some more research.

tl;dr: They only diagnose phimosis on people who can't retract flaccid, and because right now I'm only unable to retract erect I TECHNICALLY don't have phimosis. He was very doubtful and dismissive of stretching as a treatment but couldn't do much about it because I've had more than stellar results with the treatment. And because I don't "really" have phimosis he didn't push for circumcision, but he didn't recommended any steroid creams because he wasn't aware of them. So he just said to be careful if I continued stretching.

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